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- What are your thoughts on this bill? What are your thoughts on the supposed “evangelical” support for the bill?
- Rick Warren states that it is not his job to take a stance on this issue. Do you agree or disagree?
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December 10, 2009 at 9:07 pm
The Rabid Dispensationalist
This bill is terribly unjust. While a sin homosexuality is not a crime worthy of death. What about adultery, pornography, etc? Are these worthy of death?
I am a little surprised that Warren did not speak against this bill because that would be the politically correct thing to do and Warren seems to be very concerned with his image in the world.
Regardless of Warren’s actions, Christian pastors should always be the first to speak out against injustice wherever it may be found. Whether the issue is the execution of homosexuals or the abortion of children in the womb we must stand for justice.
As for this Maddow clip, there is clearly some propagandizing going on here. Maddow is not known for truth in reporting. Here she is attempting to link this Ugandan bill with Evangelical Christianity. I don’t know about you but I have not met a Christian in my lifetime who would support the execution of homosexuals. I am sure some may exist but they would be a very tiny minority. Where did this bill come from? Are its Ugandan supporters using Scripture to support and promote it or is it possible that homosexuality is viewed as abnormal and offensive in Ugandan culture. I would want to look into it more before I accept Maddow’s story on face value.
Peace
December 12, 2009 at 12:03 am
Mike Tirrell
I do agree with you RD. This bill seems like one of “wrongs in a Christian right.” I believe that it is only our place to acknowledge the wrong in homosexual relations not bring judgement upon homosexuals. If God desires to do so then leave that to him and him alone, we have no place in that for we were once sinners. Warren should have a stance on this issue. His neutrality could be in part because he disagrees with one of his main comtemporaries, or that he does agree, but know the consequences of such of view in the public eye.
December 10, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Sam Hommel
I think this bill is definitely unnecessary and the punishment is too severe for the crime. Homosexuality is condemned in the bible, along with adultery, pre-marital sex, and many other sexual sins. Are those people going to be included in the bill?
Not only as a pastor, but as a Christian, I think that Rick Warren should have taken a stand against what is happening in Uganda. As RD said, I think that Warren is worried about doing what is politically correct. And I think that he is afraid of getting himself into a sticky situation.
December 11, 2009 at 9:54 am
Jess Stratton
What are your thoughts on this bill? What are your thoughts on the supposed “evangelical” support for the bill?
I believe that this bill is way too extreme. I acknowledge that homosexuality is a sin, but who are we, as humans and Gods creation to decide that a person who sins is to be killed. Like Sam said, the Bible says that adultery and fornication are sins also. Will this bill include these offenses. I think its horrible for a Christian pastor to agree with this bill. A pastor is head of a church and are responsible for where he/she leads their members. This pastor in Uganda is wrong for agreeing that it should be legal to kill a person that is a homosexual. Thats way to extreme.
Rick Warren states that it is not his job to take a stance on this issue. Do you agree or disagree?
I think that Rick Warren should of taken a stand on the issue at hand and not pass it off as not his responsibility. I find that cowardice.
December 10, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Noel Jefferson
I have several thoughts about this bill. My background does not allow me to agree with the gay movement. But I also believe that because a person is gay, it does not mean that God necessarily hates them. He dislikes what they are doing because it is a sinful nature. In the old testament God destoryed Godom and Sonnorrah for their homosexual practices. But in the new testament Jesus was found to have walked in all types of living styles. He did not conmand them but loved them. So I do not believe that their acts are heinous enough to put a death sentence to their heads. My thoughts on the evangelical support is undecided. What God are they serving? like I said about, God dislikes sinful nature, but do they deserve death? I don’t know. Rick Warren stand on this issue is a “safe” out. He still wants to be objective in our country. But “pass the buck” in other countries. It keeps him on neural fround in foreign relations. I think Warren is wise to keep his options in gay rights to himself in this matter.
December 10, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Anna Barnard
“i think Warren is wise to keep his options in gay rights to himself in this matter.” can you explain this to me noel? what i think you are saying is that you think Warren is wise to keep to himself and not stand up and say that this bill is wrong. When in my opinion i think he supports this bill.
December 10, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Anna Barnard
I think that this bill is completely unjust, like many have stated. I think that punishment that are at hand are too great regarding the situation. Now I am kinda on both sides of this. In one hand I think that it is not fair to sentence a homosexual to death and say that having affairs or sexual sins or watching pornography is fine, there is not death punishment is not right. But on the other hand, in my eyes every sin, regardless of the size, are doomed for death. This may be a little shaky for some to grasp my thought process on this. But I do believe that when people go to such large measures to punish something that is on the same level to me as someone who participates and watches pornography is wrong. In the end though, I think that the bill is completely unfair.
It was shocking to me when they stated that some evangelicals support this. I do not, by any way think this is how Christ would want us to represent him. I think it is ridiculous that they think it is right to just hang a person who is a homosexual.
I disagree with Warren. I think that since he has such a high position, he could make a big impact. I think the best thing that he could do is say no this bill is not the right way to solve the problem of homosexuality. I mean go back to the simple saying, what would Jesus do? Would Jesus really support a bill that states homosexuals should be hung? I don’t think so! He, as a pastor, and to me this is even more disturbing, should follow what Jesus would do. He could make a huge impact and just keeping it neutral won’t solve anything.
December 10, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Jessica McCleaf
What are your thoughts on this bill? What are your thoughts on the supposed “evangelical” support for the bill?
As to my thoughts…. Wow is a word…. Where in the world did this idea come from is my question..? God does take sin (homosexuality and such) seriously and treats it all equally. If we were killed for sinning, there would be no one left in the world. While sinning is sinning, God also sent His Son to the world to die for the sins that were to come, which are here now. By taking the lives of these homosexuals and putting their aquaintances in prison for 3 years does not show the love of Jesus. As a Christian community, we need to reach to them to show them the light. Just killing off people because they do something isn’t going to change anything, they need to also be educated. Just like when Christians were pursecuted for what they believed, the church grew stronger because they knew what they stand for. Although homosexuality is not okay, the community will grow, even if it is in pure defense to remove the penalty upon them.
Rick Warren states that it is not his job to take a stance on this issue. Do you agree or disagree?
I believe that he is to become involved in it. If he is such the advacates he claims he is, and shows he is (in some ways) then I believe he is to have a Biblical opinion and share that opinion with the rest of the world. In this, he would have to do in respect but by also claiming the name of Jesus and what Scripture says about sin and how is seperates humans from God. Without having the ability to come to Christ, by killing homosexuals we are adding to the numbers in hell. This is quite stabbing but ultimately true. Without believing in Christ and following His teachings and loving Him, we cannot be saved.
December 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm
John Hale
Simply put, there is no way that this bill will be met with any serious consideration. It is an unjust and incorrect way for the church to try to prevent homosexuality, even if it is a sin. Spiritual discipline is entirely different from political enforcement at times. There is a different justice system (ie the government is not God, in this case) It is however, his stand to go against homosexuality is correct, but the method (and likely the motive) is entirely wrong.
December 11, 2009 at 12:45 am
Tom Catalfamo
What are your thoughts on this bill? What are your thoughts on the supposed “evangelical” support for the bill?
Rick Warren states that it is not his job to take a stance on this issue. Do you agree or disagree?
This bill is unjust and wrong the church is wrong for doing this and handle it this way. and i agree 100% with John i agree that it is different between the Spiritual discipline and political forces.
December 11, 2009 at 9:21 am
Ryan
john brings up a very good point. The government will never give this bill the time of day. I personally think that this bill is completely unjust and that it will never have a chance to pass in the government. I think that there are very very few people who would have any “evangelical” support to this bill at all.
i was very surprised with Rick Warrens lack of response to this bill. I think that as a very well known pastor he has the duty to state how he feels about these type of things from his Christian perspective. It seems like he is trying to duck out of any confrontation so that he does not look bad.
December 14, 2009 at 9:42 am
Gunner Kollock
I think this bill will never be passed by the governments standards because not many people are really going to be up to par with evangelical support. I don’t want to judge but a variety of things could happen if its Gods will.
December 14, 2009 at 9:43 am
Gunner Kollock
I meant many people will not be up to par with evangelical support!